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Sienci Labs LongMill MK2

Affordable Yet Powerful CNC

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Sienci Labs makes this much more affordable with their ready-to-assemble CNC kits. The only thing extra you have to supply is a computer and a table to put the machine on.

Author: Rich Keller

I’ve been using CNCs for over a decade now and believe they’re a great addition to most shops. Historically, one of the downfalls of CNC machinery for the home shop has been its cost. If woodworking is an expensive hobby, a CNC is one of the most expensive ways of working wood.

Sienci Labs makes this much more affordable with their ready-to-assemble CNC kits. The only thing extra you have to supply is a computer and a table to put the machine on.

Sienci Labs LongMill MK2
MSRP: $1,800 (30″ x 30″)
Website: Sienci.com

During assembly of the LongMill MK2 it became rather apparent that the term “bench top” is slightly misleading. I was expect­ing to build something fairly small. The MK2 is available in three sizes: 12″ × 30″; 30 × 30″; and 48″ × 30″. Sienci Labs sent me the 30″ × 30″ machine to try, which is a generous size for a bench-top machine. It’s a good size for a home shop and it would be able to complete quite a broad range of projects. Unless you only ever want to do something very small, I would highly recommend stay­ing away from the smallest machines.

What does “ready to assemble” mean? Sienci sells their machine as a kit which arrived in a long skinny box, about 10″ square and 40″ long, containing dozens of parts. The machine comes completely unassembled. The machine’s price is a reflec­tion of the fact that you need to completely assemble it. This was one concern I had going into this review: Can the average woodworker reasonably build a CNC from a kit? I made a point of carefully following the instructions provided (not something I usually do) to make sure it was reasonable.

I was quite impressed with the level of detail in the simple, clear instructions. They take you very patiently through the process, step by step, and I think it’s quite achievable for the average wood­worker to put this together. All the parts are already machined, so you’re just bolting everything together. There are only a couple of sizes of hex keys and a wrench required so it doesn’t take much in terms of tools or skill. Sienci publishes the assembly instruc­tions on their website so you can even take a look before you buy. Without rushing, I was able to put the machine together in a couple of evenings.

Online Instructions
The instructions are online, so Keller worked from his iPad rather than print out the 60-plus pages. The instructions are clear and easy to follow.

Overall, I was impressed with the machine’s quality, especially given its price point and size. Sienci uses some sturdy aluminum extrusions for the gantry. Other parts are machined from solid steel and a few are even 3D printed. The axis move on ball bearings and the motion is provided by long lead screws. The screw tension is adjustable to ensure there’s zero play in it. The lead screws turn in bearings as well so the motion is very smooth. The router bit is powered by a laminate trimmer. Sienci also has a laser available as an option for fine detail engraving. The machine is controlled by a black box, which is provided with the machine. The box connects to your computer via a USB cable. Software can be downloaded from Sienci’s website to send standard G-Code files to the machine to run it. The LongMill can be used in conjunction with pretty much any 3D design software designed to produce G-Code.

Dust chute
The optional dust chute was 3D printed. It can be removed easily to change the bit. And although it’s not as powerful as some other routers, the laminate trimmer is up for the task of all but the heaviest cuts.

Another historical cost of CNCs was the software required to design your workpiece and run the machine. I have software that I’ve owned and used for years, and I could have designed some­thing with this software and sent it to the machine to cut. Today there is a wide range of free or much less expensive programs avail­able online so I thought I would give one of these a try just to see again how reasonable it would be for the average woodworker to order this kit and start making something in short order.

I downloaded a free program called F-Engrave, which is fairly limited in what it can do. You can enter a short string of text, set a size, and it will create G-Code to cut the outline of the letters to the desired depth. There are more complex programs available with minimal or no cost, but of course they require a bit more learning to get up and running.

It was quite simple to get up and running and cut something with F-Engrave. From downloading to cutting my first piece, it took me about two hours. That included a few failed attempts to figure out the correct file format to save in (which was probably detailed in the instructions that I never read). There were a few little things to learn along the way so it would obviously go much quicker a second time. One issue I had was that I kept losing connection between my computer and the CNC controller. After checking Sienci’s website and their user forum I realized I had a bad USB cable. I had substituted the cable they provided for a longer one I had around. After swapping out the cable, the machine ran fine for me. These are the types of things that you have to be prepared for along the way when learning how to use a CNC.

This illustrates a point I mentioned in my article “Introduction to CNC Machines” (Apr/May 2018), but it’s worth mentioning again here. You do need to have a basic understanding of computers in order to have a good go at CNC-ing. CNCs are a bit more technical and even finicky in nature. If you’ve reached a point in life where you aren’t into learning something new every day then CNCs will probably not be a good fit for you. If you’re a life-long learner and like to expand your knowledge base, then you will probably enjoy a CNC machine. You don’t need to be a computer whiz, but you should be able to work your way through some basics, includ­ing Googling for help when needed. There is a learning curve to it but once you get going, your own creativity and imagination will be your limiting factor, not the computer or the CNC. I feel that a CNC in my shop has really allowed me to take my woodworking to the next level. It has helped me produce intricate details and accu­rate templates that would otherwise be very difficult or impossible with other methods.

The construction of the LongMill MK2 is very good. The gantry rails and other parts are fairly thick and sturdy. The machine moves on bearings everywhere so the motion is quite smooth. In the grand scheme of CNC machinery, this is still a smaller and less expensive machine, but I think it is at an excellent price point to allow more people to enter the CNC market. For the price of the kit, there is good value for the consumer. The machine has been thought through carefully and has some construction details (like bearings throughout) that you would not expect to see on a machine at this price.

The 30″ × 30″ capacity is very generous, in my opinion. Over the past decade pretty much everything I have done on a CNC could be done on this machine. The laminate trimmer is not as limit­ing as you might presume. One thing you would not be able to do on this machine (for a couple reasons) would be to cut out kitchen cabinets, but I don’t think that is what Sienci has geared this for. At least for the types of projects I have used the CNC for, there isn’t as much heavy cutting needed as you would assume. Most of the CNC work I do is for intricate details; heavier work is done with more traditional tools. Occasionally, I’ll cut out a thicker part on my current machine, and the Sienci LongMill would be able to do it, as well. It would just require shallower cuts and more passes to get the job done.

Sienci has several optional accessories available that are worth getting. I would highly recommend the AutoZero touch plate and the Inductive Sensor kit as essentials to any machine. The AutoZero touch plate lets you locate the exact corner of your workpiece with the machine so that you can cut your project in an exact location on the piece. Without this you would have to eyeball the corner, which could get you fairly close, but not exact. For something like a sign, for example, where you want the text exactly centred, you would only be able to get it reasonably close. There is a chance that the finished product would be visibly off. With the AutoZero plate you can measure everything and get your work exactly where you want it.

Starting Point
The AutoZero touch plate can be used to find the exact corner of your workpiece and will tell the router where to begin cutting from.

As far as the Inductive Sensor kit is concerned, on a machine without sensors it’s up to the operator to intelligently run a program that will never cause the machine to run into itself. Even the small stepper motors on this machine are more than powerful enough to cause damage to the machine if you “crash” it. The sensors prevent this from happening by establishing a limit of travel in one corner. The software controlling the machine knows the limit of travel to the other side so it will not move beyond this. It also allows you to start the machine from a repeatable point, so if you wanted to cut numerous parts from the same program you would be able to start each piece from the same point.

Sienci LongMill
Once Keller got the machine set up and made the program, it only took about three minutes to cut out this little sign.

I enjoyed my trial run of the LongMill from Sienci Labs. The machine was simple and fun to build and easy to get up and run­ning. As your comfort level with CNC machinery grows you can add upgrades to the software and hardware of the LongMill to be able to do more. I would recommend the LongMill to anyone look­ing to get into CNC-ing, especially if you like the idea of building a machine from the ground up.

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Last modified: September 29, 2023

26 Comments

  1. Excellent read. I am very interested. Making plans to go see one in action. And if it goes well ordering a Longmill 30×30 beginners kit.

  2. I, too, would like to know why it will not be able to handle kitchen cabinets. Size is the only factor I could see that might limit this activity, but the 30 x 30 has a working space of 32 x 34 which should suffice. You could produce larger projects with indexing.

  3. Thank you for the review! Would you be able to expand upon this and explain why it would not be able to cut kitchen cabinets?

    “ One thing you would not be able to do on this machine (for a couple reasons) would be to cut out kitchen cabinets, but I don’t think that is what Sienci has geared this for.”

  4. Literally got my LongMill up and running this morning. Spent more time with the table construction than on software install and setup. Mine is a near mint MK1 and the sturdiness is unreal. Extremely solid and smooth running. Flawless engineering, right down to the mounts and 3D printed dust foot. Just figuring out V-Carve Pro to make a first cut. For the earlier poster asking about Windows 98 compatibility, I am pretty sure it will work. Best to contact Sienci directly as I hear they are amazingly helpful.

  5. Liam Robinson, It can do *anything* you have mentioned and more, but having said that it’s not really made for or good at most of those things. Working with rough lumber or a log is really tricky for a CNC. You need to have a way to hold it, and then in the case of a log have a machine big enough to move around it which is not practical. There are better ways to turn logs into boards, or rough boards into finished boards. CNC’s were never designed to allow you to throw all your other tools in the garbage. I would suggest that starting with either sheet good or smooth planed and jointed solid wood is what you should be doing with a CNC. As one author says “It’s not a magic Santa Clause box” you don’t just dream of something pop a log on there and have a finished product come out. In terms of use, the CNC can be used to do way more than lettering of course. I have used mine to do inlays, some very intricate carvings, cut templates for chairs (You can cut chairs from a template faster than a CNC can), drill all kinds of accurate holes in things, make hard wood knobs for furniture, just to name a few things. I don’t think I have ever used my CNC to make a project from start to finish, not that you couldn’t, but that’s not the kind of thing I do. Most of what I do is furniture along with some musical instruments. I use my CNC to make parts and pieces where it would be too time consuming or impossible to do by hand. The limit to a CNC is your imagination not the machine.

  6. manfred s, I am not aware of any upcoming shows but Sienci is based in K-W so if you are in SW Ontario why not just go see them?

  7. Would like to know more……….
    Can you use it to reverse engineer parts? (surfaces, end points, holes, slots etc…)
    tech specs? (depth of cut in Z axis, travel in both x & y axis)

  8. This is a great review. But I have a question about it. The stand-alone computer I still use has Windows 98 on it. I don’t suppose the software would work with something that old right?

  9. Thanks for this review. I never really considered a CNC machine for woodworking, primarily because I couldn’t really see what they were good for, beyond lettering. If you intend to write more about this machine, which you have managed to make much more interesting to me, I would like to see what you can actually do with it beyond lettering. Can you make a chair? Are you limited to sheet goods? Can you use “real” wood? Flatten a slab from rough cut lumber? Straight from a log? It’s like that line from that movie Van Helsing “I know what it does, but I don’t know what it’s for”.

  10. I’d love to see it in action in person, like at a trade show. Are there any such shows scheduled in the south central Ontario region for this spring?

  11. Michael Kratky, it can be run with whatever software you have. I have ArtCam myself which works and vCarve does as well but both of those are more expensive software packages. I wanted to highlight in the article that it is not necessary to spend a bunch of money on software you can use the machine without that. If you are ok spending more money I would defiantly say that the more expensive software can do a lot more for you, including 3d carving. The machine is capable it’s just a question of having the right software.

  12. Well written article. You have made me become more interested in researching the potential purchase of one of these units.

  13. Must wonder if it isn’t too basic especially the software as I always heard that V Carve is the basic standard for the industry, and what about a laser option laser option? Can it do 3 D carving?

  14. I have been following the CNC products for more DIY / contractor usage and this looks like something that is suited for for just that. And it is basically plug N play. thanks

  15. Thanks, Rich, for your review. I t is really great and very useful to me, and I’d be more confident to dig for more information about CNC.

  16. Charles Tauber, that might be something to explore in a future article. I do think however that the limiting factor to the accuracy of the Sienci Longmill is going to be the purchaser in most cases. Theoretically the tolerance of the machine is zero, as everything is adjustable but it really depends on how much patience you have to adjust, test and readjust to get everything just right. I would suggest without putting in a crazy amount of effort you could get the machine within a few thousands. I spent about a half hour tuning the machine before running it and had it where it rolled very nice but did not have any play in any of the parts. All the bearings, lead screws and lead screw nuts are adjustable.

  17. Thanks, Rich, for your review. I understand that the Sienci machines are intended primarily as entry-level machines and those new to CNC are less likely to be concerned about accuracy and precision. However, it would be nice for a more comprehensive review to include some testing of those abilities, particularly since Siencie’s website does not discuss them either.

  18. Great review. I’d toyed with the idea of building my own CNC machine about 15 years ago, but sadly, never got around to doing it. The CAD/software aspect also put me off, but having read your article, I’d be more confident, as it seems very user friendly. I should imagine the interfaces have become more intuitive over the years.

    Finer detail work has long been an issue for me, due to developing a tremor in my hands about 20 years ago. Even using cutting guides, can still result in the vibration translating into the material somehow. Having a computer deal with cutting would eliminate the problem. My interest is piqued.

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